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by andydlc » Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:07 pm

on my 64 my LHS (opposite side to battery) brake wire doesnt seem to have power running through it, b4 i go and rip the wiring to bits does this simply daisy chain from the opposite light?? and where normally does the wires meet?

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Re: rear brake lights..

by wilgartw » Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:19 pm

if seperate indicators yes.

have a look at the wiring diagrams on vintagebus.com

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Re: rear brake lights..

by andydlc » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:50 pm

Hi, I had a look at the wiring diagrams but I think I must be missing something, I followed the wires from stop light switch to rear lights and it doesn't seem to connect correctly.. I know that the wire I have from left to right hand side rear light is black/grey on my bus, but it doesn't show where the feed wire is that powers both rear lights.. Can anyone help pleeeeaaaasssseeeee??????!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: rear brake lights..

by andydlc » Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:15 pm

Anyone?????? Someone must know.. I don't want to strip the whole loom only to find that there is a wire for each reaqr light.. can anyone advise if the LH brake light gets its feed from the RH light (beside the battery?)

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PS: I hate electrical issues.. ;o(

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Re: rear brake lights..

by BROOKSY » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:38 pm

andydlc wrote:Anyone?????? Someone must know.. I don't want to strip the whole loom only to find that there is a wire for each reaqr light.. can anyone advise if the LH brake light gets its feed from the RH light (beside the battery?)

Thanks

Andrew

PS: I hate electrical issues.. ;o(

As Wilgartw says if you have a seperate indicator and brake light IE European Specification then you have a wire between both stop lamps. If you have a USA specification bus then the lamps are seperately fed from the indicator switch. Please state which country you van was from and whether it has seperate indicator and tailight/brake light bulbs.

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Re: rear brake lights..

by andydlc » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:56 pm

Hello there, its a US spec van, LHD, 64 model, All red rear lenses, I think thats the way it works, brake light goes off if you indicate.. Never looked behind it and tried!

I know, i know..

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Re: rear brake lights..

by andydlc » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:57 pm

I think the indicator does work on the side with the faulty brake light.. If that helps?

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Re: rear brake lights..

by wilgartw » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:39 am

how many bulbs do you have?

if you only have one, then the indicator, stop, and tail light are all one.

if there are two, then the stop and tail are one, and the indicator is the other.

for a '64 american spec you should just have one bulb.

so, the indicator and brake light should be fed by the same wire at the indicator switch on the steering column. Does the indicator switch look original?

I suspect some chopping has gone on by the original owner. It probably works this way as the PO could not get it to work. If you are indicating right and you put your foot on the brake, does it continue to flash. it should.

i think you should concentrate around the indicator switch, and brake light switch rather than at the back of the bus.

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Re: rear brake lights..

by wilgartw » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:39 am

ps, where are you based?

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Re: rear brake lights..

by andydlc » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:51 pm

Thanks for all the info wilgartw, I have one bulb which does everything..

It is US spec..

So you think the indicator column.. I shall check this next.. Thanks very much for the info you have provided..

Will update soon!

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Re: rear brake lights..

by andydlc » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:52 pm

And I am based in Jersey in the Channel Islands...!

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Re: rear brake lights..

by 2splitsjay » Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:27 am

ave a quick lookie on vintagebus.com
ear it is http://66.34.72.138/index.html
ope it elps jay

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Re: rear brake lights..

by brianjbox » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:27 am

I had an American spec 69 bay with the same red all in one rear lights, do you intend to sperate the indicators from the brake lights as I had to for the M.O.T.
I ended up running coloured bulbs in the reversing lights as indicators and used the red lights just as braking/sidelights.
If you are seperating [don't know laws over there] this was quite easy to do at the brake master cylinder, the brake master cylinder has a live feed going to a switch [on the cylinder] and a switched live [when brake pedal depressed and ignition on] returning to the indicators? I disconnected this switched live and instead run a feed straight from the switch to the rear brake lights [disconnecting the original indicator fed one, taped up].
This would work if you were converting to the european style lights, not a lot of use though if your not.

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Re: rear brake lights..

by wilgartw » Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:54 am

brianjbox wrote:I had an American spec 69 bay with the same red all in one rear lights, do you intend to sperate the indicators from the brake lights as I had to for the M.O.T.
I ended up running coloured bulbs in the reversing lights as indicators and used the red lights just as braking/sidelights.
If you are seperating [don't know laws over there] this was quite easy to do at the brake master cylinder, the brake master cylinder has a live feed going to a switch [on the cylinder] and a switched live [when brake pedal depressed and ignition on] returning to the indicators? I disconnected this switched live and instead run a feed straight from the switch to the rear brake lights [disconnecting the original indicator fed one, taped up].
This would work if you were converting to the european style lights, not a lot of use though if your not.

you do not need to do this for a '64, but it is an option, in my opinion, the single light is not as safe as the seperate eu amber style, as not all drivers are aware of what they are, and so i think (not based on any fact whatsoever) that you are more likely to be shunted from behind.

in saying that all red lenses are much cooler.

It all depends whether you want stock or not. I have the small red lenses, and i have had these wired up as they were originally intended, but then i have made a high level brake light to incorperate amber turn signals.

the picture isn't very good, but here is the van braking and turning left.

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