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Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by type21f » Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:45 pm
But punctuation..


Tsk Tsk..


Defence of the Apostrophe Society.

I blame old age senility dementia Lagavulin and Je ne sais quoi..

Oh and an awful sense of humour and predictive text..
In other words if you have misspelled before it will predict your poor spelling again!
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Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by rusty1962 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:03 pm
:bounce: Evening all :bounce:

Here we go with a half a decent update as I missed a day yesterday :oops: :oops:


A funny thing happened this afternoon….I was sent a pm but before I could read it, it was "deleted by the author"…you know who you are :lol:

So……. yesterday, Dad and I had a Vespa day… or part day. We've got just about everything now, bar a spark…and I'm stumped. Luckily we didn't get a spark as I remembered last night that we haven't put any gearbox oil in yet 8O 8O 8O

It's coming on though……here's a few photos if you're interested….. :roll:

Final "on the bench" shot

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and the first 'off the bench, but restored" shot

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I spent ages yesterday evening pondering the electrics on the Vespa, but think we have a faulty stator……….a phone call is required…..but…


today, Sunday, was a "bus day" and I was determined to achieve something tangible 8O I'd had another of many "heads up" ( I thinks that's the modern day terminology) from Graham (Type21f) so first job was to act on good advice. I though that I had done this but that was many moons ago so I selected a suitable "tool" and stuck in in the 'ole 8O

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I'm pleased to say that it went in with no trouble but best to check now :cheers: . Next I decided to fit the gear lever as that would be another box out of the way….and as I'd fitted the pedals and the handbrake is in, I may as well………but something's not quite right…and as I didn't remove one, I'm not sure how it all goes together :?

I'm trying to fit an Empi shifter that I bought ages ago when I knew nothing. I know a bit more now :wink: but the Empi unit seems to be too long for the distance between the cab floor and the cup in the front rod.

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I suspect I may need one of these. Can anyone confirm?

http://www.customandcommercial.com/vw-s ... 5-79_5197/

so that went back in the box…..not a good start to the day :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Next, I mixed up some beige grey paint to hand paint a bracket that I'd made and I also touched up the throttle cable bracket that I'd had to bare metal when fitting another of Butty's bits :lol:

While that was standing for a few minutes I fitted the tailgate lock guidey keeper bit and, as always, the threads needed a clean out

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very pleased with how that looks as that area was a bit of a 'dogs dinner' a year or so ago. Now its nearly the "mutts nuts" :cheers:

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I've run out of terminals in the main fuse box, but there are still other bits and bobs that I want only to work when the ignition is on, so I made feed up to the leisure fusebox and used a "piggyback" connector so the I would still have a terminal to use on the same fuseway

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So now, most of the leisure fuse box is fed from the leisure battery ( or it will be when I get one) but a couple of fuse ways are live only with ignition.

By now, my bracket was dry so I set about fitting the battery isolator. At this point I was really focused. Unfortunately my phone wasn't …….

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anyway, a bit of fettling and pfaffing and I got the isolator installed

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The next job was to put the battery in, apply the defibrillator, switch on and hope for the best. The Sheila even ventured into the cave to "fire watch."
:lol: :lol: 8O

Rusty's alive :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: well, sidelights anyway…. (she now knows the difference between side lights and headlights. Took some explaining but I'll be better next week :blackeye: :blackeye:

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I then tried the wipers…..nothing. Then I realised the I'd wired them to work only with ignition…….. so I retrieved the key from the lounge……that's where it's been for six months :oops:

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and turned the ignition on…..nothing….. then realised that there was a wire missing (which I was actually sitting on :lol: ) so I fitted that and hit, or rather pulled the wiper switch………..

and almost at once I thought my eardrums were going to burst and my eyed were gonna bleed :lol: :lol: Should the motor really make that much noise? I won't be able to hear the radio :( ………….or The Sheila :D

Anyway, pleased to report that my wiper relay setup works great and that the wipers go off with the ignition :cheers: :cheers: I decided to fit the wiper arms etc. next to rid us of another box :cheers:
but, of course, it couldn't be that straightforward and the disengagers (for the safaris) didn't quite fit in the back of the wiper arms :twisted: :twisted: :roll:

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Out with the file

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Now the wipers functioned I was able to work out where they "parked" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: and fit the arms and blades. Note to self……go and buy some "Rainex" :lol: :lol: My God, they're not very good are they? :lol:

But……they look damnnnnnnnnnn cool 8) 8) 8) 8)

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Now, when I had switched on the ignition, the horn sounded. The Sheila was laughing, saying that no one would hear it and we'd be better off warning people by using the wipers :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: so I disconnected the horn………. and it kept sounding……or rather it didn't. It was the flasher relay screeching away :lol: :lol: 8O 8O 8O . I quickly pulled the earth.

Hmmm. Then I realised that I had no indicator bulbs in :oops: :oops: :oops: so after lunch I had a little drive out. I needed some cable to wire up the battery isolator and a few more fuses…..and I needed to do something with that wiper motor……

It was a lovely afternoon for a drive and when I got back the sun was shining on the cave and I couldn't resist getting this shot

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The wiper motor is mounted directly on the hot air ducts and really vibrates, so I got a couple of tap washers

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modified

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and fitted the wiper motor on the rubber mounts. It's better, but still bloody noisy. Any ideas people? :?: :?:

While I was out on my jaunt, I picked up some battery cable. The setup that I have been supplied with the loom connects then battery +ve to the starter solenoid - battery terminal on one end and a ring terminal on the other. I need to cut off the battery terminal and replace with a ring and then make up a new cable with a ring and a battery terminal. I was able to desolder the original and reuse the battery terminal on the new cable.

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A bit of heat shrink and job done. I've deliberately left the cable longer than desired in case the battery needs uprating and the terminals are on different ends :wink: It'll do for now though

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I switched the master switch on (which seems to work ) and then set about testing some more circuits.

Front indicators now work but not rears….. on the front we're also using the extra bulbs in the headlight housings and its quite….orange when flashing… :lol:

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Interior light worked after cleaning up the terminals :cheers:

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and headlights are both working OK ( after swopping wires on floor mounted dip switch :oops: :oops: :oops: )

That's it. The Night Manager is on.

Cheers

Steve
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Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by Cleverchap » Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:31 pm
Can you turn your existing battery around?
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Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by rusty1962 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:11 pm
Cleverchap wrote:Can you turn your existing battery around?


Yes, if I want, but no need at the moment. The terminals are easier to get to this way.

What I meant was, that if I find, at some point in the future, this 063 battery isn't man enough for the job, the new one may have the terminals in reversed positions, in which case my leads will still reach.

Hopefully the one I have will do the job. I which case I'll shorten the cable at that point to make it look more "photogenic" :D

Cheers

Steve
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Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by type21f » Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:27 pm
OG battery layout was -ve terminal to the rear of the bus on the main battery.

OG 6v batteries are configured with 3 cells and the positive terminal is on the outside by the side panel and the negative terminal is by the engine and connected to the triangular support panel.

Modern 12 v Batteries have 6 cells so with the configuration of having both poles on the same side...
With the way the new cell tops are built the layout can be with the positive on the right rather than what you want with the negative on the right...

Steve also have to consider how you are going to clamp the battery down to pass MOT.

I used modified OG battery covers and straps.

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Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by rusty1962 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:48 pm
Thanks Graham.

It's all fairly temporary at that moment. I just stuck the battery in to test the electrics and get an idea of the layout.

The battery strap/clamps are on tomorrow's AHS list :D
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Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by type21f » Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:57 pm
The OG battery tray has a bolt post by the outer panel and a clamp loop by the engine.
The OG battery strap has an over centre clip and engages on a hook loop on the engine side..
Problem is the OG strap was designed for a taller battery and battery cover.
The battery cover has a pad of hardboard inside.
I also fitted post cover over the negative battery clamp and post to insulate.
Had to cut and adjust the strap to get tension..
On the other side made a cover and adjusted the length to suit.
Bought strap from autocraft..
Pictures in Peebles..
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Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by type21f » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:55 pm
rusty1962 wrote::bounce: Evening all :bounce:

A funny thing happened this afternoon….I was sent a pm but before I could read it, it was "deleted by the author"…you know who you are :lol:

Cheers

Steve


Guilty as charged...
That would be me...
I think...
I found your mail about the wheel tub you cut out and replied that I thought I did not need it


But then I thought...Dave has not welded all that lot up yet.


Matt has been snowboarding this last week and Dave has been Lone Working on Sherry.
Hopefully Matt will be back..squaring up and clamping up and welding some stiffness back in..
Then I will know for sure..
Probably long gone with your tidy up anyway..
Sorry..
G
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Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by type21f » Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:13 am
Oh and lots of people now use the Autocraft modern battery tray with the modern battery foot clamp..rather than the OG strap over the top style..
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Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by rusty1962 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:54 am
type21f wrote:
rusty1962 wrote::bounce: Evening all :bounce:

A funny thing happened this afternoon….I was sent a pm but before I could read it, it was "deleted by the author"…you know who you are :lol:

Cheers

Steve


Guilty as charged...
That would be me...
I think...
I found your mail about the wheel tub you cut out and replied that I thought I did not need it


But then I thought...Dave has not welded all that lot up yet.


Matt has been snowboarding this last week and Dave has been Lone Working on Sherry.
Hopefully Matt will be back..squaring up and clamping up and welding some stiffness back in..
Then I will know for sure..
Probably long gone with your tidy up anyway..
Sorry..
G


No, still got it. Just........
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Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by rusty1962 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:57 am
type21f wrote:Oh and lots of people now use the Autocraft modern battery tray with the modern battery foot clamp..rather than the OG strap over the top style..


Sadly I fitted the OG copy. Don't recall the other type being available at the time. The straps cost a lot more money.......... :(
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Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by type21f » Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:25 am
....I rescued my OG straps and bought two new ones for the leisure batteries.
Sadly I fitted Bottle tray on NS but blagged/ bought the fittings from Karl to add and strap.
I made the mistake of ordering a Big leisure battery which despite others achieving I could not get to fit so I had to add a plastic plinth as well to jack the battery up. I also had to reuse my OG light units and not the nice shiny bay cast repros..
I will order an enduroline 100amp/hr next time with is not as long but may still need a plinth..LOL 278mm

MOT fail if not secured.
Others have fabricated a modern angle iron and hook solution..
I have/had been collecting battery covers..to find a size/ make a size which fitted and used wood to space and lengthened a strap/ shortened a strap for a good solution.
Looks OG works a treat on both sides..
G
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Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by Karl_F » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:03 pm
Steve, the Empi quick shifter is an adapter for stock shifters not for use with Empi shifter.
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Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by rusty1962 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:45 pm
Karl_F wrote:Steve, the Empi quick shifter is an adapter for stock shifters not for use with Empi shifter.


Ahh! I wondered about that. Looks like I'll have to make one then.

thanks

Steve
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Re: Rusty, our 1962 11 window bus, resto now in year two……er, three...

by Karl_F » Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:07 pm
Presumable you just need a spacer, pack it up with washers until you think it sit correctly. If necessary Ill machine a plate up.

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